I get the feeling we’re not supposed to like these guys. All aboard the great ship strawman…
so you’re saying the warhammer human imperium isn’t a bunch of ignorant xenophobic genocidalists?
He’s saying they’re a product of their environment, doing the best they can in a pretty terrible situation internally and externally. Yes, a fair bit of it is their fault, but the internal instability of sweeping social change would leave them wide open for being ripped to bloody shreds by any of their equally ignorant, xenophobic, genocidal foes without outside intervention. It would be interesting to see the Empire trace them home only to discover that the home space of the Empiyah needs their help more than anyone, or else that there’s been some sort of Renaissance (A “If the Emperor had a text-to-speech device” style return of the Empiyahs founder to set them straight, or a rebellion by the more intelligent and rational Space Marines) and these war-worlds are the worst of the overthrown old order fleeing to greener pastures and fighting each other over who’s the most ideologically pure as all fanatics are wont to do.
I also feel that Pretentious Ignoramus here deserves a bit more of our sympathy if you’re keeping some background lore intact, considering that he’s essentially a traumatized child soldier who’s been ripped apart, implanted with unstable engineered artificial organs and unreliable retro-virus treatments, mind-scrubbed into a ferocious psychopath and turned loose on absurdly lethal battlefields against insane lux-adept cultists seeking human sacrifices for the amusement of extra-dimensional monsters, walking biotechnological killing machines, and mad ancient AIs running neural captures of a civilization of omnicidal ultra-xenophobes. Just a tad.
In war, you save your pity for AFTER you stop the enemy from killing you and your people. You imagine yourself enlightened for having sympathy for Pretentious Ignoramus— where is your glorious compassion for the millions of innocents he’s slaughtered in the name of his god-emperor, merely because they’re there?
Nope, that’s pretty much them. I just thought you were laying it on a bit thick. You can make people out to be evil without them shouting “I eat babies!” every five minutes. As far as my understanding goes they are the closest thing to the good guys in their universe. They are also in a bad position of having forgotten large among of their culture, history and the workings of their technology. What they do remember has been twisted into scripture, religion and ritual, which they go along without without question, never a good position to be in. The xenophobia is at least partially due to the fact that every other species tries to kill then at one point or another. As far as I can tell without extensive subject reading the warhammer humans don’t go out of their way to conquer/destroy occupied system, they just have to fight hard to get from being overrun by the other races, orcs and like.
Lots of writing below.
Also part of me was curious to see if you would respond to the comment. I like you comics, I do, but sometimes, well, look up “author tract” and “Author Filbuster” on Tv tropes, it explains it better than I could.
Like I said I like your work, many of not all the characters are well rounded and the comic can be genuinely emotional at times, it outclasses may other webcomics in its artistic quality. However, Looking at some of your earlier work (Under the lemon tree and goblin hollow in particular) it can be more jarring to see when strong views on a subject appear in an other wise excellent story line. This problem appears less and less as time goes by and shows your increasing maturity as a writer, which is always welcome in the webcomic world which, lets face it, has some very badly done stuff in its dark corners.
Well that’s pretty much everything I’ve ever wanted to say to you. Thanks for making some very good webcomics and I hope you continue to do so.
“Like I said I like your work, many of not all the characters are well rounded”
should have been
“Like I said, I like your work, many if not all of the characters are well rounded”
I’m laying it on thick because that’s what it takes to get through some people’s defense mechanisms. For all that WH40k fans talk about how it’s “just parody,” they quite obviously think their gag-a-rhino grimdark is really cool and edgy. It’s like talking to a particularly arrested-development fourteen year old.
WH40K is a terrible franchise, and the people who wallow in it need to get a little bit stung for their own good. If I don’t make wh40k fans as furious as the trekkies got over the Fedorks, I don’t think I’m doing it right.
I did enjoy the star trek /Fedorks sections. It did throw some light on some of the rather large absurdities/ elephants in the room present star trek universe.
What are you thoughts on the rest of my large comment?
I’m a WH40k fan and I just had a huge laught from this and looking forward to the rest.
As for WH40k as franchise – it was made as background to a tabletop wargame so no wonder things there are exaggerated in many ways. But you are right, there is a lot of bad stuff there.
As something of a 40k fan, I can’t exactly fault your characterization, both of the in universe levels of grimderp and the devotion certain select portions of the fanbase feel towards said grimderp. Terrible franchise, however, might be taking it a bit far.
I agree a lot of what has come out of GW these days has been dreck, and I think some of there authors are using the universe to canonize their own snuff fetishes. However, the one thing that attracts me out of all the nonsense is how hope manages to peek through. And it seems all the brighter for it. Yeah, they’ve done their level best to stifle it in the name of marketing more mary-sue anti-heroes, but some of us can still see it.
I might sound crazy, but in a universe full of that kind of cosmic horror, it just seems to bring acts or heroism into sharper relief. Ollanius Pius, LIIVI, Castus Grendel and Caiaphas Cain. Little people, faced with things too terrifying to contemplate, and yet they stand in defiance. It sort of drives home the point to me: this world is lost, we are fighting the long retreat, and you can’t win; but we’ll still defiantly capture moments of beauty within it.
Okay, that just looks stupid now that it’s written out.
40K shades of Derp.
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