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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Deckard Canine » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:49 pm

Yes, that's one of the ironies of poverty: In some ways, you have to live more expensively than others.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Daniel Meyer » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:24 pm

Deckard Canine wrote:Yes, that's one of the ironies of poverty: In some ways, you have to live more expensively than others.


In almost every way actually. Vehicles/transportation, food, healthcare, utilities, housing...when you look at value received for $$$ paid...being poor sucks balls.

It's one of the reasons it's so hard to escape (survivor speaking here).
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Daniel Meyer » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:40 pm

An interesting example...

Last fall the wife's ride (Crunchbird, DaAltima) was getting long in the tooth...14 years old, LOTS of miles, TWO hard crashes (both professionally fixed), and a nagging runnability problem that I couldn't lick...took it to Nissan for an extensive diagnostic and we were looking at juuust about the retail value of the car in repairs.

Now...me...I can drive a vehicle till it simply blows...and I'll fix it, get home, or whatnot without any serious worry.

The wife is a different story. There's some serious bad stuff out in this world...I've MET the monsters under the bed...up close and personal (I've got the scars)...and though my wife is her own woman and does what she wants to...she is NOT going to be placed in that sort of danger because of a car I gave her.

Yep, I'm all manly and protective and some sort of throwback...but yep...it was time for something newer.

Well, we're on a budget like most folks so I figured I'd get a couple year old car and that would be affordable and last us a few years without problems.

We were happy the DaAltima so we figured on a newer one of those.

Imagine my surprise to find that the 2 year old, with 30,000 miles or more used Altimas, were within a thousand or so $$$ of the brand new ones. Finance rates were also in excess of 15%, when they were offering 0% (or 2.9% with some incentive money) on the new ones.

"WTF?" I asked my sales dude...in no uncertain terms...

See, it's like this...with a low credit rating, you can't qualify on the new ones.

So...they'll sell you an old one...that you can qualify on...at a higher interest rate...for essentially the same price as a brand new one.

So...yeah, I bought the brand new one.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby unclemonty » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:20 pm

Yeah. I've decided that wealth has inertia. The more you have, the easier it is to keep it moving. And by the same rule, the less you have, the harder it is to get started.

As a random idea here, though... A mobile home has a forced-air heating system, which means some parts of the house are at a higher pressure than the outside ambient, while other parts of the house are at a lower pressure... If there's any air leakage in a higher-pressure room, the warm air escapes to the outside. If there's any leakage in a low-pressure room, cold outside air is drawn in. Incredible as it may seem, I've had lower mobile home heating bills using portable electric room-heaters instead of the built-in forced-air system. I don't use them while I'm sleeping, though, for fear of a fire hazard.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Daniel Meyer » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:50 pm

unclemonty wrote:Yeah. I've decided that wealth has inertia. The more you have, the easier it is to keep it moving. And by the same rule, the less you have, the harder it is to get started.

As a random idea here, though... A mobile home has a forced-air heating system, which means some parts of the house are at a higher pressure than the outside ambient, while other parts of the house are at a lower pressure... If there's any air leakage in a higher-pressure room, the warm air escapes to the outside. If there's any leakage in a low-pressure room, cold outside air is drawn in. Incredible as it may seem, I've had lower mobile home heating bills using portable electric room-heaters instead of the built-in forced-air system. I don't use them while I'm sleeping, though, for fear of a fire hazard.


He's using electric space heaters.

As I understand it, the bill is for more than just the last month.

He needs a high-efficiency mini-split heat pump...would dramatically cut his heating/cooling costs...but that would run around $1800 or so installed...and two would be better in the configuration he has...
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Sasquatch » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:21 am

Daniel Meyer wrote:
Deckard Canine wrote:Yes, that's one of the ironies of poverty: In some ways, you have to live more expensively than others.


In almost every way actually. Vehicles/transportation, food, healthcare, utilities, housing...when you look at value received for $$$ paid...being poor sucks balls.

It's one of the reasons it's so hard to escape (survivor speaking here).



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Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.”
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Pneumarian » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:28 am

Sasquatch wrote:
Daniel Meyer wrote:
Deckard Canine wrote:Yes, that's one of the ironies of poverty: In some ways, you have to live more expensively than others.


In almost every way actually. Vehicles/transportation, food, healthcare, utilities, housing...when you look at value received for $$$ paid...being poor sucks balls.

It's one of the reasons it's so hard to escape (survivor speaking here).



“The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.”

Unfortunately, all of the $100+ shoes I've purchased have lasted little, if any, longer than $10-$20 ones.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Romulan Hawk » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:21 pm

It still doesnt make sense that its that high.
Id recommend some tricks, get a few old comforters or blankets and hang them up along the walls -with maybe 6 inches from the walls. -it creates an insulation layer and its why they had thick tapestries in the old castles. I would almost ask them to send out a new meter. -old one could be faulty and ringing up for more usages than what was actually being used.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Sasquatch » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:33 pm

Hmmm.... Just a thought. It might be an accumulation.

Down here one the electricity company might wait some time before threatening cutting the power. Therefore it could be that this is actually two bills, not one. That's still high, but more reasonable than for a single bill period of three months.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Kaeto » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:58 am

I remember one time in Tenn my grandfather was late with his electric payment. Three days after the due date of the bill TVA was there to shut off the electricity.

Here where I live the billing period is monthly.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby BoKiana » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:49 am

Kaeto wrote:I remember one time in Tenn my grandfather was late with his electric payment. Three days after the due date of the bill TVA was there to shut off the electricity.

Here where I live the billing period is monthly.


That's nothing. One time my dad's car insurance company sent him a Late Notice for his bill. A full three days BEFORE they sent the bill! He got the late notice on the 17th, and the letter even said that the bill was due on the 20th!

And this wasn't about last month's bill neither.

Dad has never missed a payment or was late with it.

For some thirty years at that.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby LordHylia89 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:07 am

HUZZAH! it seems like Ralph has received the required amount!
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby The J.A.M. » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:14 am

WOOT!!!

Um...how do you know?
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby unclemonty » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:52 am

While I was unable to help, I'll join in happy celebration.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby LordHylia89 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:02 am

The J.A.M. wrote:WOOT!!!

Um...how do you know?


Watched the start of his latest livestream, he mentioned it near the start.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Wanderer » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:15 am

Glad to hear it! :werewolf: I wish I could have helped, but I'm still trying to save enough money to get the van fixed...
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby The J.A.M. » Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:13 am

Let's not stop yet. He still has to pay his rent and other utilities.
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby Spambot » Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:35 am

The J.A.M. wrote:Let's not stop yet. He still has to pay his rent and other utilities.


Would it be feasible to continue until he can afford to move into a halfway-decent structure?
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby The J.A.M. » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:24 pm

Or get his insulation and electric system upgraded...
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Re: Electric Bill

Postby unclemonty » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:52 pm

Pneumarian wrote:
Sasquatch wrote:
Daniel Meyer wrote:
Deckard Canine wrote:Yes, that's one of the ironies of poverty: In some ways, you have to live more expensively than others.


In almost every way actually. Vehicles/transportation, food, healthcare, utilities, housing...when you look at value received for $$$ paid...being poor sucks balls.

It's one of the reasons it's so hard to escape (survivor speaking here).



“The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.”

Unfortunately, all of the $100+ shoes I've purchased have lasted little, if any, longer than $10-$20 ones.

Some of that depends on the type of shoe. With athletic shoes, even disregarding brand-name cost, for competitive use you can pay a high premium for an extremely lightweight shoe that will wear out pretty quickly, but save you a few ounces on each foot.
With dress shoes, you might pay a lot for fashion. But unless you're buying at a military surplus outlet, a cheap pair of hiking/work boots generally won't last anywhere near as long as a well-made pair.
And a well-made pair of boots can have a new set of soles put on when they finally wear out.
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